I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. Thank you, Dawn. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Composite, Davison Chart . I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. Reply. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. venus all in the 12th house. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. Hes Gemini sun . I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. I cant stop the regretful feelings. Could I ask Your opinion? I dont know whether this situation is karma? We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Well it is a living hell right now! We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Lilith in the 12th House. I think this is SO true . Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. I just am hesitating. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. We were happy plutonicay together. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. . 1. I will look into it. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. Happy holidays and thank you for this article. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. 4 months passed since then. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. . Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Lovely article. I am sufficiently haunted. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. !! And it KILLS ME! When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. etc. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. venus+mars, etc. Good luck. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. Similarly, the 4th house is used for Gemini, and information is extracted by reading it in the Natal charts. Any advice would be helpful. We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). . The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. Hey Dawn! Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. Thank you. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. Lilith in 8 th house composite. Dear Dawn, It also governs much, much more, however. In the end it was his choice to end it. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. Hi!! Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. Some relationships have terrible natal comparisons and good composites. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . Thank you. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. Thank you SO very much for this post. Natal Birth Chart Meaning. They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. along with Juno. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. North Node conjuncts Desc. A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. As a 8th house sun Virgo 8th Venus Leo I am sure this adds to my sexual nature. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. 12th House : A busy 12th house is very difficult in a composite chart, since it's the house of the unconscious feelings and all things hidden, so there will be a lot of miscommunication between the two. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. I am Sun in Aries, Asc in Leo and Moon in Aquarius, and he is Sun in Leo, Asc in Gemini and Moon in Leo. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. I use both in my practice. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. You might have a relationship that was so intense, which left you hurting. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Thank you for this article. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. I read your article and its really touching! However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. thank you for post! Because, of Saturn and Pluto? The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. Emotional Suppression. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. Hi! Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. But also to wound each other? Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. What should i do? Im always attracted to those types of relationships Is Your experience the same? The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. In astrology, the Twelfth House governs the unconscious, addiction, jails, higher self, and psychic abilities. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. Just endings in general. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. Thanks. Hello dawn What is it that makes it work? In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. That may mean leaving you behind. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance.